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I2P (invisiblenet) Development Meeting 3

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--- Log opened Wed Jun 05 00:38:00 2002

00:38 <+logger> logging started

00:38 <@codeshark> already?

00:38 <+logger> yes, warming up

00:49 * Annemiek is nu afwezig [Slapen/sleeping] [p-uit l-uit]

00:49 -!- Annemiek is now known as keimennA

00:59 <@nop> time

00:59 <@nop> what time is it

00:59 <@codeshark> 22:59 UTC

01:00 < ellison> drumroll.....

01:00 <@codeshark> 23:00 UTC

01:00 < Zwollywood> 1:00

01:00 <@mids> Tue Jun 4 23:00:50 UTC 2002

01:01 <@mids> lets start

01:01 <@nop> ok

01:01 <@nop> Welcome all

01:01 <@nop> to the 3rd meeting

01:01 <@nop> of IIP

01:02 <@nop> Today is probably a shorter meeting

01:02 <@nop> but that's not exactly a bad thing

01:02 <@nop> so anyway

01:02 <@mids> on request of some europeans the meeting is held 1 hour earlier, nop is busy working, so he might be away

01:02 <@nop> let's get started shall we

01:02 <@mids> Previous meeting has logs on http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/meeting2/

01:03 <@mids> if it will get crowded, this channel will be moderated, in that case direct your question to those with ops

01:03 <@nop> ok

01:03 <@nop> agenda

01:03 <@mids> 1) Welcome

01:03 <@mids> 2) Documentation status

01:03 <@mids> 3) RC2 compatibility

01:03 <@mids> 4) IPv6 support for IIP 1.2

01:03 <@mids> A) Questions?

01:03 <@mids> B) Next meeting

01:03 <@nop> welcome

01:03 <@nop> on to 2

01:04 <@mids> Thanks to Banks a lot of holes in the docs are filled

01:04 <@mids> he added screenshots for windows

01:04 <@mids> and found nice quotes that are used in each chapter

01:04 < Banks> np

01:04 <@codeshark> yeah, doc looks cool

01:04 <@mids> cohesion reviewed his work on chapter 1 and 2

01:04 <@mids> it is in CVS now

01:05 <@mids> demo: http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/htmldoc/en/index.html

01:05 <@mids> nop still has to review everything, so it is in no way final

01:05 <@mids> .

01:05 <@mids> pardon the logo, that ASCII art is a placeholder :)

01:05 <@mids> .

01:06 <@mids> Sina: now everybody is looking at the nice docs: demo: http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/htmldoc/en/index.html

01:07 < Neo> nice job banks. stuff looks great.

01:07 < Banks> cheers :)

01:07 <@nop> one comment

01:08 <@nop> looks great

01:08 <@nop> but

01:08 <@nop> oh

01:08 <@nop> never mind

01:08 <@nop> ok

01:08 < Banks> If we can get an advance release on RC2 we can package the latest docs with it

01:08 <@mids> hehe

01:08 <@nop> it's all good

01:08 <@nop> we will, we'll get to rc2 next

01:08 <@mids> any other comments on the docs?

01:08 < Banks> You sure there isn't a but? :)

01:08 < cohesion> anyone here have debian?

01:09 * mids

01:09 <@mids> there is no /etc/boot.local

01:09 <@mids> everything is script based

01:09 < cohesion> sys V

01:09 < cohesion> you mean?

01:09 <@mids> so you need to create a startup script and put it in /etc/rcS.d/

01:09 < cohesion> ya

01:09 < cohesion> hum

01:09 < cohesion> *shrugs*

01:10 <@nop> oh guys

01:10 <@nop> we need to include the random data for windows snapshot

01:10 <@nop> might throw them off

01:10 <@nop> but we generate a seed there as well

01:10 <@mids> is that GUI based?

01:10 <@nop> yes

01:10 <@nop> mouse and keyboard strokes

01:10 <@nop> both or either

01:11 <@mids> so it is already in cvs?

01:11 <@nop> yes sir

01:11 <@mids> ok

01:11 <@nop> but you have to do a clean install on that

01:11 <@mids> Banks: can you snap that?

01:11 <@nop> cohesion

01:11 <@nop> chapter 4

01:11 <@nop> installation on Unix systems

01:11 <@nop> is that completed the isproxy -C

01:12 < Banks> mids: I'll try

01:12 <@nop> because it starts up at beginning if you are not upgrading

01:12 <@mids> Banks: you require a windows compilation then, maybe ask codeshark

01:12 <@mids> AndreGoldman: we are at 2) Documentation status

01:12 <@nop> I can compile it for you

01:12 < Banks> nop: Cheers

01:13 <@nop> and send it your ways

01:13 <@mids> AndreGoldman: everybody is looking at the documentation demo: http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/htmldoc/en/

01:13 < AndreGoldman> Thank, I'll jut follo along.

01:13 <@nop> I'll send it in a bit

01:13 <@mids> more comments on docs?

01:13 <@nop> cohesion

01:13 <@nop> need to finish isproxy configuration for unix

01:13 <@nop> on chapt 4

01:14 <@nop> I'll look over it later for other stuff

01:14 <@nop> but that's a biggy

01:14 < cohesion> hum

01:14 < Zwolly> just let me know where to find original and i will make an dutch translation

01:14 <@nop> ahh yes

01:14 <@nop> translations

01:14 <@mids> Zwolly: will do once reviewed by nop

01:14 <@nop> we need to include those

01:14 <@nop> in source

01:14 <@nop> this will help people tremendously

01:15 <@mids> any germans here?

01:15 <@nop> Skyrat is

01:15 <@nop> but he's not on right now

01:15 <@mids> or other languages except for english, dutch and french

01:15 <@nop> also

01:15 < Phiberoptika> do you need spanish?

01:15 <@nop> cohesion include the network diagram

01:15 <@mids> UnDeRToW told me that he didn't have time for up to date spanish

01:15 <@nop> I think we have spanish

01:15 <@nop> oh

01:15 <@nop> ok

01:15 <@nop> then yes

01:15 <@nop> spanish is good

01:15 < cohesion> what diagram?

01:15 <@nop> the one I sent a while back

01:16 <@nop> ascii art of the network architecture

01:16 < cohesion> ok

01:16 < cohesion> i'll find it

01:16 <@nop> k

01:16 <@mids> Phiberoptika: cool, we'll find you when needed :)

01:16 <@nop> because what's demonstrated is part of the communication protocol

01:16 <@nop> not the netwrk arch

01:16 <@nop> and we'll label that communication protocol as such

01:16 < Phiberoptika> ok : )

01:16 <@nop> and then include net arch

01:16 <@nop> anyway

01:17 <@nop> I've spoken my mind, the rest of that can be worried about offline

01:17 <@mids> .

01:17 <@nop> oh

01:17 <@nop> and pertaining to rc2 with docs

01:17 <@nop> I will rewrite the encryption when done, but we'll know why in next part

01:18 <@mids> next item?

01:18 <@nop> yes

01:18 <@mids> 3) RC2 compatibility

01:18 <@nop> ok

01:18 <@nop> decided yesterday

01:18 <@nop> we have some more work on rc2

01:18 <@nop> so please

01:19 <@nop> use 1.1 rc1 until otherwise notified

01:19 <@nop> because they won't work together

01:19 <@mids> wasn't there a function freeze?

01:19 <@nop> and the entire infrastructure has to be upgraded

01:19 <@nop> but it must be when release of rc2 is out

01:19 <@nop> or at least 1 week for pre-testing

01:19 <@nop> reason:

01:19 <@codeshark> nop: we need a parallel rc-2 network

01:19 <@nop> we will have one cs

01:19 <@codeshark> ok

01:19 <@nop> but inform will look the same

01:19 <@nop> and you'll have to restart inform

01:20 <@nop> because we're not changing the communication to inform

01:20 <@nop> so when we parallel

01:20 <@nop> we'll slowly delete out as wel upgrade

01:20 <@codeshark> you mean: flush the relays

01:20 <@nop> we upgrade

01:20 <@nop> yes

01:20 <@nop> except for a couple

01:20 <@nop> which we can discuss later

01:20 <@codeshark> sure

01:20 <@nop> ok

01:20 <@mids> what is changed?

01:20 <@nop> reason:

01:20 <@nop> mandatory security upgrade

01:21 <@nop> IIP 1.1 as is, is very secure under normal circumstances

01:21 <@nop> hackers, etc

01:21 <@nop> but

01:21 <@nop> against a gov't attack, and ultimate paranoia

01:21 <@nop> there can be a few certain types of physical attacks that can be used to obtain the secret server key through coersion

01:21 <@nop> because of this risk

01:21 <@nop> well

01:22 <@nop> let me explain it in more detail

01:22 <@nop> for instance

01:22 <@nop> we're all enjoying ourselves on IIP

01:22 <@nop> right?

01:22 <@nop> right

01:22 <@mids> k: we are now on 3) RC2 compatibility

01:22 <@mids> right

01:22 < Neo> I am.

01:22 <@nop> someone does something stupid and happens to live in a corrupt gov't space

01:22 <@mids> (if the network is up)

01:22 <@nop> this gov't is now wiretapping and monitoring their internet connection

01:22 < k> listening.

01:23 <@nop> and starts putting up spy nodes around this user

01:23 <@nop> then

01:23 <@nop> they log this stuff for the amount of time they feel needed to get this guy

01:23 <@nop> and suddenly they seek me out

01:23 <@nop> and say we're raidnng the server

01:23 <@nop> you have no choice but to give us the key

01:23 <@nop> legally I'm obligated to do so

01:23 <@nop> which is another issue of whether I do or not

01:23 <@nop> say worst situation

01:24 <@nop> they shoot me in the head

01:24 <@nop> and take the key

01:24 <@nop> ok

01:24 <@nop> now with proper analysis

01:24 <@nop> they will be able to decrypt the messages involved

01:24 * Neo thinks we would all miss you.

01:24 < AndreGoldman> it is called 'rubber hose cryptography'

01:24 <@nop> well

01:24 <@nop> still

01:25 < Aroonkoa> Can the key be kept completely in memory?

01:25 <@nop> this is involving IIP as a protocol and rubber hose doesn't work on 2.4 kernels

01:25 <@nop> we have provided a solution

01:25 <@nop> and are currently in the process of implementing it

01:25 < Banks> can you tell us what it is?

01:25 <@nop> this solution is to have a double encrypted protocol for end to end

01:25 <@nop> of course, we're open source

01:25 <@nop> ;)

01:25 <@nop> what happens

01:26 <@nop> user A connects through ---> to end node, connects to networkid, authenticates, and then will be doing a separate random key exchange that will disappear after communication is finished

01:26 <@nop> this key will not be used again

01:26 <@nop> and is after networkid authentication

01:26 <@nop> plus enhanced with the Rolling Key Algorithm we use

01:26 <@nop> and the way we Xor every 8 bytes of data

01:27 <@codeshark> well, you could still do a mitm

01:27 <@nop> no

01:27 <@codeshark> why not?

01:27 <@nop> because

01:27 <@codeshark> if you have the network key

01:27 <@nop> it's done after the networkid

01:27 <@nop> this is a situation against the log and raid server attack

01:27 <@nop> not a live attack

01:27 <@codeshark> ok

01:27 <@mids> will this cause more load on the serverside IIP relay?

01:27 <@nop> most likely not after they are connected

01:27 <@nop> you might note a spike on exchange

01:27 <@nop> but that happens anyway

01:27 <@nop> and a little more time connecting

01:27 <@nop> also

01:28 < Banks> the one-time key will be securely wiped after use?

01:28 <@nop> networkid will be changed for safety reasons

01:28 <@nop> and become 2048 bit

01:28 <@nop> and made optionally in the software to support a 4096 bit networkid key

01:28 <@mids> how well does it scale?

01:28 <@nop> yes Banks it will

01:28 <@mids> we had big trouble on the old server, when everybody connected at once

01:28 < Neo> (log and raid server attack == log all cipher traffic, then raid for the key, then replay the traffic and decrypt the data)

01:28 <@nop> correct

01:28 <@mids> thanks nop

01:29 <@mids> s/nop/Neo/

01:29 <@nop> the already used ciphers assist quite well for most attacks, the windows are small because of RKA and fake traffic forcing the rolling of keys

01:29 <@nop> but if a user is being monitored

01:29 <@nop> they are at risk until we decentralize completely

01:29 <@nop> so for this reason

01:30 <@nop> we are implementing rc2 as a mandatory security upgrade

01:30 < Banks> cool

01:30 <@nop> and will not be compatible with the previous version

01:30 <@nop> and

01:30 <@nop> one more comment on security

01:30 <@nop> we need to make an ettiquette doc on how to think securely and anonymously

01:30 <@nop> especially in public channels

01:30 <@nop> as well

01:30 <@mids> offtopic :)

01:30 <@nop> as just putting iip links to lots of websites

01:31 <@nop> it's part of the security of IIP

01:31 <@nop> which I believe is rc2

01:31 <@nop> ;)

01:31 < Banks> heh

01:31 <@nop> just linking IIP could lead to bad compromised software

01:31 <@nop> even with md5's

01:31 <@nop> we need to make sure that the servers that mirror it

01:31 <@nop> are secure

01:31 <@nop> etc

01:31 <@nop> anyway

01:32 <@nop> off topic

01:32 <@nop> so we'll discuss that next meeting

01:32 <@nop> anywa

01:32 <@nop> scalability

01:32 <@nop> IIP doesn't scale at all really because of it's centralized (temporary) design

01:32 <@nop> but DH key exchange will not affect the scaling

01:32 <@nop> we are planning for the future

01:32 <@nop> and bigger prime numbers are essential as we go against faster and faster computers out there

01:33 <@mids> well I remember terrible loads when everybody connects at once, right?

01:33 <@nop> not anymore

01:33 <@nop> this was fixed recently

01:33 <@nop> on the back end

01:33 <@nop> I get a spike of 32% now with that issue

01:33 <@nop> not 99%

01:33 <@mids> nice

01:33 <@mids> why put this mandatory thing in RC2 (which was feature frozen imho) and not in 1.2 ?

01:34 <@nop> because it will be waiting too long

01:34 <@nop> no offense to the US gov't

01:34 <@nop> but they have been issuing laws faster than we code

01:34 <@nop> particularly to wiretapping

01:34 <@nop> deniability is a key issue here

01:34 < Banks> indeed

01:34 <@mids> k

01:34 <@nop> especially for the server

01:34 <@mids> good point then

01:35 <@mids> do we need version numbering in the node.ref? (like freenet has)

01:35 <@nop> hence the need to fix some issues and advance in our need for privacy and security

01:35 <@nop> it's an ongoing battle

01:35 <@nop> but it's worth it

01:35 <@nop> well

01:35 <@nop> versioning might be an optional feature

01:35 <@nop> sounds like it will turn out important soon

01:36 <@nop> so it's in consideration

01:36 <@nop> will let you know next week

01:36 <@nop> ok

01:36 <@nop> I'm done

01:36 <@mids> k

01:36 <@nop> .

01:36 <@nop> any questions

01:36 <@mids> .

01:36 < Neo> Yeah.

01:37 < Neo> The fake traffic option.

01:37 < Neo> Wouldn't it be a good idea to have this turned on by default?

01:37 <@nop> it is

01:37 < Neo> good.

01:37 < Neo> thanks.

01:37 <@nop> it's been on since encryption came out to IIP

01:37 <@mids> fake traffic, what is the length again?

01:37 <@nop> it varies

01:38 <@nop> it's max is 50 bytes

01:38 <@mids> between fixed values isnt it?

01:38 <@nop> about the size of simulated chat messages

01:38 <@mids> cant you let it vary based on normal chat?

01:38 <@nop> it is as close as we can get at this time

01:38 <@nop> AI comes later

01:38 <@nop> ;)

01:38 <@mids> heh

01:39 < Banks> what do you mean mids?

01:39 <@nop> we plan to do that with iip 2

01:39 <@nop> that will have more available techniques

01:39 <@mids> Banks: well, maybe 50 maximum is too short

01:39 <@mids> Banks: topic are much longer for example

01:39 < Banks> I see. Is it random text?

01:39 <@mids> Banks: and that might give away something

01:39 <@nop> yes

01:39 <@nop> I believe the values can be altered fairly easy

01:39 <@nop> ;)

01:40 < Banks> :)

01:40 <@mids> k

01:40 <@nop> any more questions

01:40 <@mids> feature request for 1.2:

01:40 <@nop> oh

01:40 <@nop> feature requests need to be posted on sourceforge

01:40 <@mids> keep record of average and SD of the lenght of lines

01:40 <@mids> yes, I know

01:41 <@nop> SD?

01:41 <@mids> standard diviation

01:41 <@nop> why?

01:41 <@mids> to be able to fake messages within the used scale

01:41 < Banks> mids: you mean per user or for all users?

01:42 <@mids> Banks: all users is safest

01:42 <@mids> hm, but harder

01:42 <@nop> well

01:42 <@mids> hm

01:42 <@nop> a nice goal

01:42 <@nop> would be this

01:42 <@nop> iip node takes data traffic

01:42 <@nop> analyzes it

01:42 <@nop> and scrambles it

01:42 <@nop> and uses it for it's seed of random spurting data

01:43 <@nop> that would give a bit of form of ai

01:43 <@mids> k

01:43 < Banks> might be better to get the random data from somewhere else. I mean, that's the data we're trying to keep secret :)

01:43 <@nop> what I mean

01:43 <@nop> not direct data

01:43 <@nop> but size of data info

01:44 <@nop> and

01:44 <@nop> spurt ratio of normal data

01:44 <@nop> so that it mimics

01:44 <@nop> actual data

01:44 < Banks> I see

01:44 <@nop> is randomized using yarrow

01:44 < Banks> Do you guys get notified of bugs added at sourceforge?

01:44 <@nop> I check daily

01:45 <@mids> and subscribers are emailed

01:45 < Banks> ok, just wanted to point out that node/relay settings bug if you hadn't seen it

01:45 <@nop> which one

01:45 < Banks> cool

01:45 <@mids> the one that you didnt see :)

01:45 < Banks> [ 563246 ] node/relay type settings cancellation

01:46 <@nop> ahh

01:46 <@nop> yes

01:47 <@mids> Banks: thanks for pointing out

01:47 <@mids> who does the windows code?

01:47 <@nop> that's not really a bug

01:47 < Banks> yeah, but it's not really a feature either :)

01:47 <@nop> right

01:47 <@nop> it warns you about your settings

01:48 <@nop> but

01:48 <@nop> we'll look into it

01:48 <@nop> thnx

01:48 < k> what's the time?

01:48 < Banks> np

01:48 <@mids> Tue Jun 4 23:48:37 UTC 2002

01:48 <@mids> more item 2 questions?

01:48 <@nop> next on agenda

01:49 < k> what's that in central america?

01:49 <@mids> 4) IPv6 Support for IIP 1.2

01:49 <@mids> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock

01:49 < k> thnx

01:50 <@mids> IPv6 is something that is going to be used more wide spread

01:50 <@mids> making IIP IPv6 compatible seems usefull

01:51 <@mids> does anybody have experience with making daemons IPv6 compatible?

01:51 <@nop> well

01:51 <@nop> I think it's fairly simple to make it ipv6 compatible

01:51 <@nop> it's really size and input, if your machine is compatible

01:51 <@nop> then it will just do it correctly

01:52 <@codeshark> node.ref parser?

01:53 <@mids> how does it know if it should use the IPv6 or IPv4 address when doing a DNS query?

01:54 <@codeshark> dns returns it

01:54 <@codeshark> either an A record

01:54 <@codeshark> or AAA

01:54 <@mids> dns returs both

01:54 <@mids> (if both exist)

01:54 <@codeshark> hmm, if it has both

01:54 <@mids> s/AAA/AAAA/

01:54 <@UserX> ipv6 nodes would probably be indicated by adding a "transport" field to noderef with a value "tcp6" or similar

01:54 <@codeshark> right :)

01:55 < Aroonkoa> Nodes could be both ipv4 and ipv6, correct?

01:55 <@UserX> .

01:55 <@UserX> yes

01:56 <@mids> would be nice, that way you can make them gateways

01:56 <@codeshark> if nodes can be on ipv6, i need to connect to the ipv6 network with the nodechecker

01:56 <@codeshark> .

01:56 <@nop> right

01:57 <@nop> remember this is iip 1.2

01:57 <@nop> so hopefully we'll be prepared for then

01:57 <@nop> .

01:57 <@mids> k

01:58 < k> me?

01:58 < k> j/k

01:58 <@mids> more IPv6?

01:58 <@nop> mids

01:58 <@nop> it won't be too hard

01:58 <@nop> I think that's it for ipv6

01:59 <@mids> UserX's idea is great, that should solve all problems

01:59 <@mids> .

01:59 <@nop> yes

01:59 <@nop> .

01:59 <@nop> he always has great ideas

01:59 <@nop> .

01:59 <@mids> A) Questions

01:59 <@mids> -------------

01:59 <@mids> Ask a question

01:59 <@nop> How does everyone like IIP so far

01:59 <@nop> ?

01:59 <@nop> ;)

02:00 < Banks> It's elite

02:00 < Zwolly> great and impressed

02:00 <@mids> I like it pure

02:00 <@nop> hehe

02:00 < Neo> Schweeet.

02:00 < Aroonkoa> Love it.

02:00 <@nop> awesome

02:00 < Zwolly> just looking fot this my whole internet irc life

02:00 < Zwolly> for

02:00 < Neo> We love it for what it is, and even more so for what it plans to be.

02:01 <@nop> neato

02:01 < Phiberoptika> bravo!: ))))

02:01 < Banks> It's not just a pipe dream. It's here, now. With promise for the future.

02:01 * Banks reaches for tissues.

02:01 <@nop> umm

02:01 <@nop> that was the idea

02:02 * Banks offers the box around.

02:02 <@nop> haha

02:02 <@nop> oh

02:02 <@nop> banks

02:02 <@nop> great job on iip logo design

02:02 <@nop> one comment

02:02 <@mids> what logo?

02:02 < Banks> shoot

02:02 <@nop> use it for docs if we can

02:02 <@nop> t-shirts

02:02 <@nop> and bumper stickers

02:02 <@nop> but website probably will be more light

02:03 <@nop> it's very cynical ;)

02:03 <@nop> and as a group

02:03 <@nop> we like it

02:03 <@mids> ah, banks did the logo, forgot

02:03 < Zwolly> t-shirts... there goes your anonimous life

02:03 < Neo> bumper stickers... lol

02:03 <@nop> just saying

02:03 <@mids> did everybody see it? I will put it on my site

02:03 < Banks> :)

02:03 <@nop> defintely on the docs though

02:03 <@nop> THat is the epitome of the docs

02:03 <@nop> and the software

02:04 <@mids> http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/meeting3/IIPlogo_bigger.png

02:04 <@mids> somebody who isnt here at the moment had a comment on the logo

02:05 <@mids> (s)he didn't quite like how the P worked out

02:05 < Banks> We can change IIP to stand for Invisible Internet Project if you like, which represents your long-term goals as I understand it.

02:05 <@mids> (but liked the whole concept)

02:05 < Banks> if we can think of a way to improve the P, we should.

02:06 <@mids> maybe a normal P?

02:06 <@nop> maybe make both

02:06 <@nop> irc and internet

02:06 <@nop> internet is a ways off

02:06 < k> just don't p on the floor, k?

02:06 <@nop> we have a joker in here

02:06 <@nop> hehe

02:06 <@nop> ;)

02:06 < Banks> :)

02:06 <@mids> well, there is an idea

02:07 <@mids> if you put the P a bit higher, it looks maybe better

02:07 <@mids> though I like the concept!

02:07 < Banks> mids: you can make those changes and send them around for comment if you want, or I can do it.

02:07 <@mids> I am not a gfx guy

02:08 < Banks> neither am I really :)

02:08 <@mids> :)

02:08 < Banks> I'll do a normal P and move it up and send it around

02:08 < k> what's the time in costa rica??

02:11 <@mids> okay, I have a little idea

02:11 <@mids> everybody may promote his channel here now, with a oneliner

02:11 <@mids> include channelname + description

02:12 <@mids> #anonymous - general network channel, meet celibrities & crackheads

02:12 < Zwolly> channel Annemiek just for the fun and in dutch (or english)

02:12 * keimennA is afwezig [Slapen/sleeping] [1h22m52s]

02:13 < k> glad I got to know that..

02:13 < Banks> #scientology is a classic example of the kind of channels which IIP is ideally suited to

02:13 < Banks> (it's not mine though :) )

02:13 < k> lol

02:14 < Neo> #distributedcity - Sovereign Individuals

02:14 <@mids> #test - for all your testing

02:15 <@nop> #vegetarian for vegetarian (joke)

02:15 < Banks> #hacktivismo isn't up today

02:15 < Banks> Heh

02:16 <@mids> okay, any questions? (IIP related)

02:18 < Banks> Any way to improve fserve speed in the short-term? We could get a bigger user-base then.

02:18 <@nop> umm

02:18 <@nop> not without having flooding problems

02:18 <@codeshark> filesharing in iip is not a very good idea

02:19 <@codeshark> it's very inefficient

02:19 <@nop> wait till decentralized

02:19 <@codeshark> because of base64 encoding and additional irc headers

02:19 <@codeshark> ...

02:19 <@nop> then we'll make sure it's possible

02:19 < Banks> I think it's a priority for a lot of people though. I was just wondering if there was any way to improve it somewhat before decentralization. Ok.

02:20 <@nop> freenet gets it's act together

02:20 <@nop> and you can write an irc plugin

02:20 <@nop> :)

02:20 <@codeshark> yeah, integration with freenet or somthing like it would be great

02:20 <@mids> help freenet testing by running a watchme node

02:20 <@codeshark> watchme node?

02:20 <@mids> if they get that thing working again, freenet will be very usefull

02:21 <@mids> http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/SpyWare

02:21 <@codeshark> statistics node?

02:21 < Banks> true

02:21 <@mids> it is a 'spyware' node, intended for debugging

02:24 < k> woo

02:25 <@mids> yes k? do you have a question?

02:25 <@mids> (no sorry, dont know the costa rica timezone)

02:26 < k> sorry - just celebrating out loud.

02:27 <@mids> question: how does the 'new' time suit you?

02:27 < k> huh?

02:28 <@codeshark> it's a bit better, but we need to make the meetings shorter

02:28 <@codeshark> .

02:28 < Banks> I won't be able to make it to the next meeting. I have unavoidable business all day.

02:28 <@nop> ok

02:28 <@nop> it's all good

02:28 <@mids> codeshark: any idea how to make it shorter?

02:29 <@codeshark> make it more efficient

02:29 <@codeshark> someone has to lead each topic

02:30 <@codeshark> .

02:30 <@mids> k

02:30 <@mids> I am going to sleep

02:30 <@mids> thanks all

02:30 <@codeshark> me too

02:31 <@mids> nop: can you moderate the channel again when the discussion is over?

02:31 <@nop> sure

02:31 <@mids> logger will be kept running for a while

02:31 <@codeshark> nop: anything left for discussion>

02:31 <@codeshark> ?

02:32 <@nop> not really

02:32 <@nop> no

02:32 <@nop> everyone go home

02:32 <@nop> haha

02:32 < Zwolly> thanx dad

02:32 <@nop> your welcome son

02:32 < Zwolly> hehe

02:33 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+m] by nop

02:33 <@nop> everybody out

02:33 <@nop> I need my time alone

02:33 <@nop> leave me be

02:33 * codeshark kicks out everyone

02:34 -!- Phiberoptika was kicked from #iip-dev by nop [nop]

02:34 -!- Neo was kicked from #iip-dev by nop [nop]

02:34 -!- keimennA was kicked from #iip-dev by nop [nop]

02:34 -!- keimennA was kicked from #iip-dev by nop [nop]

02:34 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+i] by codeshark

02:34 -!- keimennA was kicked from #iip-dev by nop [nop]

02:34 -!- k was kicked from #iip-dev by nop [nop]

02:34 -!- jakob[oFF] was kicked from #iip-dev by nop [nop]

02:34 -!- AndreGoldman was kicked from #iip-dev by codeshark [codeshark]

02:34 -!- Banks was kicked from #iip-dev by codeshark [codeshark]

02:34 -!- ion was kicked from #iip-dev by nop [nop]

02:35 -!- ellison was kicked from #iip-dev by nop [nop]

02:35 -!- Aroonkoa was kicked from #iip-dev by codeshark [codeshark]

02:35 -!- cohesion was kicked from #iip-dev by nop [nop]

02:35 <@codeshark> hehe

02:35 <+logger> abusive

02:35 <+logger> logging ended

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